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Based on the discussions I've seen in the message board, I think it would be very useful to add a Special Ed link in the main menu and provide some information about special ed with regards to CAPD. I was wondering what everybody would like to see in this section. I'll research and compile as much info as I can find. If you can provide any resources please do pass them along as well.

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Bonnie



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Would this be an area where we discuss the process of dealing with the school system?  I've been contacted today by our son's school about a "screening meeting", which means they want to get together, figure out what testing THEY want him to do in order to justify having an IEP or not.  Needless to say, I'm not happy about it, it seems like a reason to waste time instead of getting the therapy started NOW.


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Hi Diana,
I'm so sorry to hear the school is using their tactics to keep things in limbo. We went through the same merry-go-round with our school. The fact is, if you have outside tests, they MUST consider those when making a decision. They do not have to make their decision based on them (as we found out the hard way), but they must at least review and take them into consideration. If you have an audiologist who says he has CAPD, and the school's audiologist says differently, you may have to go out and get another assessment done by a third audiologist. Or hire a lawyer. You might consider bringing an advocate to the screening meeting. Do you have funds to afford one? They often charge $75-$150 per hour. But having one right off the bat is a great idea because then you're showing schools you're serious.

You can definitely talk about all these issues in this section (Special Ed and CAPD) on this chat board. The area of the site I'm talking about is an informational area, like the Therapies or Diagnosis sections in the blue bar at the top. Seems to me that special ed is a particular challenge for CAPD, so I wanted to put together some resources to help parents make their case. One of the problems with CAPD is it's not specifically delineated as a learning disability. There is ambiguity over where it lies in the IDEA, or if it lies there or not.

I would just love to hear the concerns parents have faced, or the solutions they have found, in getting special ed services for their child. I know we have had an uphill battle, and I would love to shortcut anybody else's attempts to get their child help. My mom asked me the other day why I built this site if I don't make any money out of it. And that is why... to save somebody else time and heartache in their search for an answer and get help. I cannot tell you the adversity I faced in order to get my son diagnosed. We all need to band together and education the school systems. Our children are faced with a serious learning disability, and somebody has to recognize it, $%$*#!

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Bonnie


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The thing is Bonnie, this audiologist IS the school's audiologist.  The reason they want to do more testing, from what they say, is that they want to see if they think he's significally impacted enough with this condition to need this treatment.  I can tell you right now our son makes mostly B's, a couple of A's and a C.  This year, the progress reports for 3 of his 4 classes say he's making A's.  But the reason for that is because I am so involved with his schoolwork.  I call the school, or email the teachers, when Matthew has no idea how to do something he brings home.  I have to contact the teachers to find out why he missed a problem or question so I can make sure he knows why he missed it, and explain it to him so he won't miss it again.  There is no way he'd be making the grades that he does right now if I didn't do so much to keep up on it.  I look at his homework every night, questioning him to make sure he's doing it the way it was intended.  I make sure he keeps his binder organized and neat so he can find things.  I ask him every day to make sure he's got his homework written in his agenda book.  Do they really think all parents do that?  I can guarantee you they don't. Most parents say "how was school?" and that's about as far as they care. 

Now, we have this "screening meeting" next Tuesday.  I have paperwork on Matthew's past testings, including his PPVT, his Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children test, and his Woodcock Johnson Test of Achievement.  I need to get paperwork on his 2005 diagnosis of Cluttering.  All I can find on that is copies of the IEP paperwork, and none of those have any copies of the testing they did.  The more I read about CAPD, the more I am convinced it does tie somehow with cluttering and other learning disorders.  I am also going to ask his English teacher who has CAPD to be involved in this meeting. 

From what I understand of this meeting, this will be a meeting where one of his main teachers will be there, a special education teacher, and some other person for the school.  I want to make sure I have all the paperwork I can get with me, to show the past diagnosis he had, and the ways he has been affected with the treatments.  I'm hoping this will show a pattern of learning issues, and I also want to find as much information about what could happen with his education if he gets NO treatment for this.  I am so afraid of what could happen that way.  I know the older he gets, the more verbal the school instruction is, and the less likely teachers will be willing to accommodate him with extra help.  He will need whatever he can get to do well in school and not feel singled out with his peers.  My husband will be there (mostly because he knows my temper, and knows if someone tries to tell me that therapy won't help, I'd punch them!) so I'll let him do the majority of the talking.  He's an executive, and in management, so he's good with negotiating.  They are suppose to "recommend" further testing to see if therapy would benefit him.  I know what that means... do they think I'm stupid?  What if I don't think he needs 3-4 hours of testing again, he just had these psychological tests in early 2007!  I'll try to be open minded and hear what they have to say.  I am trying not to get angry about this, but it's almost impossible not to.  You all understand how I feel, but some nitwit with a Master's degree that says "I've got a Master's in special education, I know what they deal with" has no freaking clue what it's like for my son!  To think that someone like her could decide what course of action needs to be taken is ridiculous.  Just because you have a piece of paper with a school's name on it, doesn't mean you know what these kids go through. 

I'll work with the system, for now.  If I don't like what they tell me, I know I can appeal to the school board directly.  I'll do whatever it takes, even if that means homeschooling him to make sure he gets the right education.  I won't let them tell me what my son needs, I know what he needs. 

*trying to breathe and not strangle anyone*


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NOTE FROM ADMINISTRATOR:
I moved a copy of Laurie's post to the Introduction Board so everybody would see it. I've left a copy here so everybody could reply within this thread as well.


Hi, I'm new on this board, and would just love to say how THRILLED I am to find a support group for Auditory Processing (FINALLY!).  My 10 year old son is a 5th grader at a very good elementary school in Atlanta.  After struggling through several years of mediocre grades and report card comments such as "lacks focus", "doesn't participate", "lazy", "has trouble grasping the subject matter", "disorganized" etc., we finally got the school involved.  Long story short, we wasted a lot of time sitting in meetings with no guidance toward where to go or what to do.  There seems to only be one pathway, and that is to call it ADHD.  After a consult with his physician (who was SHOCKED that I hadn't already set up a ritilin assessment appointment with him), I knew there had to be something else going on.  He actually told me that I'd waste a lot of time & money on testing when we could be solving the problem right away with medication.

We now have a new pediatrian.

We finally had a full battery of tests performed and discovered it was Auditory Processing (with working memory defecits) and dysgraphia (difficulty performing handwriting neatly).  Despite getting an IEP in 4th grade, the accommodations were lacking, and the support we received in the co-teaching situation was, lets just say, disinterested.  They decided that he was just lazy.  After spending the summer educating myself on everything I could find on CAPD (which is precious little), I realized that I needed to become his biggest advocate ever.  I'm very happy with the co-teaching arrangement this year, and have gone to great lengths to make them understand the world that he lives in.  Just yesterday, we had our 4th meeting of the school year to continue to tweak strategies and IEP goals.  I plan to touch base with his teachers approx every 2 weeks just for an update.   I've also made it very clear that bullying tactics not only do not help the situation, but are creating a self-esteem problem that makes it impossible for the child to succeed.

I just finished reading the book "Don't you Get It?" and found it to be energizing.  I'd love to hear other people's experiences, and how to approach this subject when the school becomes skeptical.  I'm especially interested in any classroom accommodations and strategies that work for other people, and looking for ideas to help teachers, students, and parents guide their child toward self-advocacy.   

Thanks for a great site!
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Hello,

My name is Marianne. I am new. I posted a message on the introduction forum. I keep writing a post on this forum and my computer keeps logging me off. Weird. So, hopefully this one will take. Everyone's situation mirrors mine.  I just want to talk to someone in person. I am a single mom and have no support, but my son has mine. I have about 20 pages of emails sent to the school board and teachers(I know this is going to turn legal so I have the paper trail). I want to go to the media and my local news was willing to do a story if I could find others in the same boat in this area. But I thought why not go to like 20/20 or cnn on a national level. I really think they would be interested, unless this has already been on tv, not sure. If not, please, let's do this. All these stories sound so much alike. The State of Minnesota has a CAPD awarness day on April 9th they started last year. I am trying to contact them but keep getting the assistants voice mail. So I will just keep trying. I am from Tampa, Fl. so if you know of anyone from this area, let me know, maybe they would be willing to do a local story as well. I have a 504 plan. It is like it does not exist. Like one person said(I can't remember who, sorry)on this post was the amount of homework they did to keep their child's grades up. Yep, that was me for the entire time in elementary school.What a strain it put on our relationship.  The hardest thing for me to deal with, as with others, is the total lack of compassion! And the serious bullying tactics teachers are getting away with. I realize there is a fine line between a strict teacher and one that bully's and now I know the difference. And how about those digs like "just make sure your child is more responsible". Ok, I will stop, I could go on and on. I would love to hear if someone want to take this to the media. Thanks for this website! Thanks for sharing your stories. Maybe I will sleep better tonight.


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Hi Marianne,
Thanks for your post! I actually administer this board, and I increased the login time so it won't log you out. For security reasons it was logging you out after 15 minutes of no activity. It doesn't see you typing, so it thought you were no longer viewing the site. I increased this to 60 minutes of time. Sometimes I write long posts in Word and copy over when I'm done, that way I won't lose them if I submit and I've been logged out.

I think your idea is a fabulous one! We have passed our point of struggle with the school district, and we live in California, so not sure we'd be a good candidate for your story. I would recommend getting hooked into some special ed lawyers. I'm certain they will know of parents who are struggling. There is a lawyer in Connecticut that I follow in Twitter. She has a great blog and seems really sincere and kind. Here's her website: http://www.connecticutspecialeducationlawyer.com/  She's really active on Twitter, so I'm certain she knows people all over the country.

The crazy thing about CAPD is that it does not fall under the disabilities category, nor does it fall in the learning disabilities category. It's caught in the middle, and these kids are getting lost as a result. Graeme Wadlow is in the UK and he has been instrumental at getting CAPD declared a disability in the UK. You could reach out to him. He posted his contact details in this post: http://capdsupport.org/component/option … ask,topic/

He and I have talked a bit about getting this done here in the USA, but the process would be arduous. It would really have to be done state-to-state before it could be accomplished on a Federal level. I have a husband with kidney disease, and a 4-year-old son besides my 7-year-old with CAPD, plus I work full time to support my family. I'm not the right candidate to take on this project. But if you wanted to do it, I would be happy to support you with building a website to help spread the word. That's what I do for a living (hence the reason I built this site...).

You really have to rely on the mercy of the school district to get your child help. We hired a lawyer, and subsequently fired him, but after that the school became very accommodating. They did not provide any therapies to help our son, but they did give him an aide in the classroom and on the playground, and he got an FM system in school. These both made a huge difference for him. We have done our own therapies. One that has helped a lot is reflex integration therapy, and I believe there is a woman in Florida who provides this. There are only 5 people in the US that do it, so it's hard to find people. Also, the AIT listening therapy made a big difference. Not all therapies help all people, but it's worth a try!

Hope this information helps. Know that you are not alone, and that is why this site is here. While there are not many of us, we need to stick together and support each other through this.

Take care,
Bonnie


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Hi Mevalina!  My best recommendation to you is to go on Yahoo, create an account if you don't already have one, and search the groups for CAPD.  You might find one in your area, and you'd have people who are used to dealing with the laws and schools in your state. Here is the national Yahoo group...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AuditoryProcessing/  If you join, you might find people in your area that are going through the same thing you are.

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Thank You both so much. I will follow up on the websites you provided. I am in the process of retaining a lawyer as I write. I just had another conversation with the school board(I keep telling them to email me for documentation but they won't even though I email them) and the board is just as bad as the school(guess it starts from the top). Did your children get defensive with teachers who do use these "bullying tacticts" whereby the child is labeled the trouble maker and the teacher gets away with behaving this way? The paperwork that I have researched states that kids with CAPD can become very arguementative and disruptive when they feel attacked, especially in middle school. Well, wish me luck. And hope all is well with you.

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My son rarely gets defensive.  In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid arguments.  So much in fact that he has admitted to things at home he never did, just to avoid having to talk about what really happened.  Believe me, I live with that guilt every day, not understanding he was telling the truth ther first time when he said he was innocent.

If your child is self-advocating, that's great!  I wish mine did that more.  He will tell someone that he needs preferred seating, but that's about it.


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You know, I never thought about it that way. My son is the same as far as telling the truth even when he is so wrong(well too many times he was not wrong he was just doing what comes naturally with this disorder). And I as well have that guilt from past fights with him and a total strain on our relationship that is now healed at home and getting worse at school. It is a double edged sword. If the school knows you are punishing your child when the phone call comes in about some "infraction" at school, they may question if your being too strict with your child( I have had that happen)or they leave you alone but at the cost of a stressful home environment. If you become your child's advocate, and reduce the stress at home and follow the plan the audiologist gives you, your not punishing enough and become labeled. You can't get the help your child needs either way. I am hopefully meeting with an attorney tomorrow. Any advice on that would be great.


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My best advice for your attorney is to be really clear about what your son NEEDS, and determine if the attorney is hearing you. We went the attorney route, and it was a trip into LA LA land as the attorney had his own agenda and it wasn't matching up with what we felt our son needed. It would probably be best if your attorney has experience working with CAPD because then he/she will know specialists that can be used for assessments, and if necessary, testimony at a hearing.

Our school ignored all the specialists the attorney suggested, but hiring the attorney, and subsequently firing him, got us what we needed. Either the school was grateful we fired him, or concerned we'd hire another, and after that we got pretty much everything we asked for. Still paid a lot to the attorney, but in the long run it was worth it.


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Wow,

What a bumpy ride this is going to be. Thanks for all the advice. It just amazes me how things got worse when the 504 plan was complete. Now that I am linked to another website in my county founded by a person with a child with disabilities, I have found that my county is one of the top like 5 counties in the nation with complaints/problems you name it in special education, IEP's, 504, everything. I read some of the actual articles, etc. I don't know if I should feel better or worse. And when I read an example of a common 504, our's is a joke. Very short and what little is there, they are not following and that little bit makes it very difficult for my son and I when he comes home from school and he does not have everything he needs as one example. Anyway, here is hoping this goes in the right direction. I will use your advice when speaking to attorneys. Like you, just because someone will take my case does not meant they are the right candidate. And money for me is a huge issue and what is really sad is that the school knows this. I have to make this work I just wish I could get one good nights sleep.


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It's no wonder so many parents with kids that have disabilities or special needs homeschool their kids.  If at any point I feel like my son's school system isn't doing what they are suppose to, I will do just that, homeschool. They know it too, because I bring it up whenever there's a challenge to the terms of the 504 we've got.  It's a shame that so many parents are overworked and don't have the time to do that.


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Hi Marianne,  When the letters CAPD come up, everyone at school seems to nod their head.  But when asked if they can describe the world that my child lives in, things get really quiet.  The reality is, most of them don't know much about APD, and how it affects each child differently.  Everyone at that school that comes in contact with your child should have a cheat-sheet that describes what he needs, and why he needs it, and what happens if he doesn't get it. 

For example:  My child needs written instructions for all assignments. He is so busy processing steps 1 and 2, that he often doesn't hear steps 3 and 4.  If he doesn't have written instructions, his work is incomplete, or gives the indication that he doesn't care about his work, or lacks ambition.

Do this for every accommodation that the child needs.  That way, when teachers say that the child is being lazy or not finishing his work, they can be redirected back to the cheat sheet.

Best of luck with the legal assistance.  Keep us posted.


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Great reminder, Inyego. There is an area in the Library that has a bunch of articles about home/classroom accommodations: http://www.capdsupport.org/Home/Classro … modations/  I created a cheat sheet for my son which I can send you if it helps. He has an aide in school (he's only 7), and she said the cheat sheet was the best thing because it explained to her why he would react certain ways when things happened.


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Great advice. I am going to try the cheat sheets. Thanks so much. Will keep you posted. Now, yesterday, my son came home and one teacher accused him of not turning in a project we did together and spent like three days on. See, he turned it in Friday even though the teacher gave the kids until Monday. He had two students standing right beside him when they all turned it in on Friday. Teacher would not listen. So, once again, had to email, etc. Since he is now labeled, teachers are becoming more and more distant. We will see what happened today. His binder is so neat now my poor son was like, "I turn it in early to prevent this from happening and now the teacher loses it(not the first time with other students)but instead of it being just a normal conversation with my son like"oh, let me check again" since two other students stood right there as he turned it in and I told her this, she told my son "you did not turn it in and don't get credit" very rude like. I am just so tired.


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