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Can you tell me what your child's symptoms of CAPD were/are?

I just introduced myself on the other thread - THANKS for the warm welcome BTW!!! - and now I'd love to hear what your child's age and symptoms were that caused YOU or a therapist to suspect CAPD and test for it.

My son is 5 so I'd love to hear what other kids were doing so I can see if the stories sound like what we're going through. I've been searching online for weeks and haven't found any stories from other parents describing what their child experiences with CAPD. I'm wondering if there are different levels of severity with CAPD too.

Our SLP says she's really on the fence about whether she thinks my son has CAPD. Regardless she is writing a referrel for the local children's hospital next year where they do the testing with a certified specialist. She said he shows some symptoms right on, but others she'd expect just aren't there at all. I'd like to hear what your child does/says/hears and if you could say how old your child is when he exhibited those symptoms, I'd really appreciate that too!!!

there really isn't much online about this. I can read "official" reports, but stories from other parents are much more enlightening to me.

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Hi Kate, great question! There is a section in the resources are for personal stories about CAPD: http://capdsupport.org/Resources/Living … Blogs.html  There might be a few in there. I know Andrea's Buzz has a very long chain of posts which includes a lot by parents. If people see blogs/sites, let me know and I will add them.

For our son, I did not figure it out until October 2008. He was in special ed pre-K and K for 3 years, then in September 2008 he was moved into general ed kindergarten. That's when he all of a sudden developed attention problems, which he'd never had before (because in special ed they speak loudly, slowly and use tons of visual prompts). I was researching ADHD when I read the list of symptoms of CAPD, and that's when I knew I had found the key.

Our son's symptoms:
1) Delayed speech development.
2) Would respond with the wrong behavior when spoken to (i.e. go get your coat and instead would go off to play with toys).
3) Would not answer questions. Basically would look at us blankly, or answer something that did not make sense (i.e. Do you want some juice? and he would say, "I don't know where my shoes are."
4) Delayed social skills. He has issues socially because he cannot hear and respond appropriately. About a year ago he started playing by himself more and more. He does much better with only 1-2 children in a quiet environment.
4) History of ear infections. Not a symptom, but seems to be a common thread.
5) Very sensitive to loud noises.
6) Became extremely agitated in noisy situations (probably because he was anxious because he didn't hear well).
7) Poor pragmatics of speech -- ie. speech was not grammatically correct.
8) Dysgraphia (difficulty writing)
9) Vestibular issues, particularly needed to move more when anxious or tired

That's all I can think of right now.
HTH,
Bonnie


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Our son has always had issues from early in his life. He never had an excessive amount of ear infections, or had any head trauma.  But at about 2, I noticed that he was not communicating like his peers.  In fact, he's never really caught up in speech like most kids his age.  He would say things like "truckskins", and that baffled us for AGES until we went by a construction site and he yelled it.  He was trying to say "construction".  He would use 2-3 word phrases even up until he was in kindergarten like "throw rocks" or "go to park".  He has always been such a sweet and loving child, I never wanted to believe there was anything seriously wrong with him.  After he was tested in kindergarten, and they tried to tell me he was testing "borderline retarded", I was shocked.  I got angry, and scolded them for expecting him to learn things he'd never been exposed to, like coloring within lines, and using scissors (yes, I was paranoid, he never even had safety scissors!) We moved him to a different school district the next year, and he started stuttering.  When we had him tested at the school for this, they told us he was "cluttering", and he went through therapy for that.  After a couple of years, and not seeing any vast improvement in his ability to follow written directions and not understanding us, we had him tested at the University of Kentucky for both learning disabilities and psychological tests.  One said he was just suffering from anxiety, the other said he just had mild fluency issues.  While his speech is still repetitive (he will start a sentence like "I saw a, I saw, I saw a puppy" sometimes, not as much as he used to), we understand now that this pausing in a sentence gives the brain time to think about the context of what he's trying to say, and it is related to the CAPD. 

I had been searching for answers over the summer, when I joined a homeschooling network in my area.  I'd actually considered pulling our son out of the public school system so I could teach him at home, since I noticed that written problems and directions were becoming harder and harder for him.  One day, a woman who is a speech pathologist posted to this homeschooling network, saying she was looking for clients.  I emailed her, and told her about our son's issues.  She asked more pointed questions, like what his behaviors were, and the testing we got done.  Then she told us about CAPD, and Executive Functioning.  I looked into both, and the CAPD information seemed like most of it was written about him!  Our son has never been a poor reader though, nor has he been a discipline problem.  He's the sweetest kid in the world, and the best boy a Mom could ask for.  We got him tested with an audiologist a couple of weeks ago, and even the testing people could see his issues.  We got the results just last week, and it confirmed what I already knew.  His issues are in dichotic listening, sequencing, and auditory memory.  When I read that "for a child with auditory memory problem, there is often no realization that he is missing information", I broke down in tears. After all these years, all the struggles, fights with teachers, and testing we had done we'd finally gotten our answer.  I cried in front of the audiologist, and thanked her emphatically for her help.  You can't know, especially as a mother, what a relief it is until you are in this situation.  Now we can get him the help he's needed all this time, and if he doesn't get it, heads will roll!  Besides, I can home school him if I need to, I know it would work for us. I wish more was known about this disorder, and more attention would be paid in the media about it.

Good luck to all my fellow CAPD parents and kids, our kids deserve to feel like every other child out there.


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Duranie- Your son sounds very similiar to my 6 yr old daughter.  I found myself nodding at everything you wrote.  We would love to get our daughter tested, but have been told that at 6 she's considered to young.  How old was your son when he was tested?  Thanks.


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baberry, our son wasn't tested/diagnosed until just a few months ago, he's 11.  But I know there are audiologists that will test for kids at age 5 and up, you just have to look for them.  Search in your yellow pages and contact your school district.  Ask every audiologist if they test at her age group, and tell them her symptoms.  You will find someone that will be willing to test her.  If there are any colleges/universities that have an audiology or speech therapy program, chances are they have someone who will know what you need.  Don't stop, whatever you do.  The sooner you catch this, the better off your child will be.  Don't let them suffer through years of not understanding why they are different than other kids like we had to with our son.  If I'd have known about CAPD years ago, I would have pushed for the testing and gone anywhere in the world to have it done.  Please, if you need help finding someone, PM me and let me know where you live and I"ll try to help you.


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Thanks for the quick response.  I've known my daughter has had APD since she was diagnosed with receptive/expressive language disorder.  I've tried getting her tested through the school and they tried to appease me with a written/oral test.  I always get a chuckle out of that because why would you give a child with language disorders a oral test.  Strange, but that's our school system at work...LOL!!!  We've since decided to homeschool our child through a public charter school.  At this point its working very well for us.  We are able to teach her 1:1 at home and still receive speech therapy.  We use to also have private speech therapy but I've since lost my job and its no longer financial feasble.

Your words encourage me to keep looking to find a suitable audiologist.  My question to you is do I have to get a referral from a speech therapist or we go to our pediatrician?  We live in Southern California.  Thanks again.


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Who does she get speech therapy from?  Ask that therapist if they know anyone who does audiological testing on kids your daughter's age.  Usually the first place you would start would be the school system, finding out who their does their audiological testing.  Second would be your insurance company (if you have one), you'd want to find an audiologist in your network.  If you are paying out of pocket for one, you'll want to try the listings in your local yellow pages or look for one via the internet.  I found one here on this website under online resources... http://www.capdsupport.org/Details/Caro … ogist.html  this audiologist is in Orange County CA.  Click on the link and the phone number will be there.  Otherwise, click on this link for the NIDCD information clearing house, they can help you get what you need.... http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/misc/clearinghouse.asp


After all the years of misdiagnosis we went through, I actually considered homeschooling our son.  In fact, the reason I found out about CAPD was through a homeschooling website where a speech language pathologist posted.  If it wouldn't have been for her, I probably would be pulling him out of school and keeping him home.  For now, the school system here is working fine with us, doing what needs to be done.  But they are aware that I have the option to take him out if I think they are doing a poor job of following the 504 paperwork.  We would be using unit studies, and I think he'd be fine at it. 

Keep us updated when you can, and ask for help if you need it.  I know there are wonderful people on this site who would be more than willing to help get you the info you need.



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Baberry, our son was diagnosed by Carol Atkins in Laguna Hills. She's listed in the resource section on this site: http://capdsupport.org/Details/Carol-J. … ogist.html  She was incredibly patient and wonderful with our son. The tests cost $600 and our insurance did not cover any of it. She's been doing this for 20+ years and has a specialty in CAPD. It took about 4 hours to do all the testing.

I don't know of any other audiologists in the L.A. area that test for this. We live in the South Bay, so we traveled kind of far. I have heard the House Institute does testing, but I left several messages for them and they never called back. I don't know how to get a hold of a live person there.

HTH,
Bonnie


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duranie- thanks so much for your response and advice.

Bonnie- I'm seriously considering getting my daughter tested by Carol Atkins.  Like you, nothing pertaining to speech or CAPD is covered by our insurance.  At this point $600 is a lot of money but definately something to save for in the near future.  Bonnie, if you don't mind me asking, how old was your son when he was tested.  Everything that I've seen so far requires kids to be at least 7 years old for 'accurate' results.  My daughter just turned 6 in August.  Thanks again for the response.


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Bonnie- were you able to get the results before you left?  If you didn't, did you have to drive back to Laguna Hills?  thanks again, I really appreciate it.


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Baberry, our son was 6-1/2 when he was diagnosed. She will diagnose children as young as 5. She said it's dependent on the child being able to cooperate and follow through on the tests. Our son is VERY wiggly, so I think if he could do it, any child can.

My husband took him to the appointment. My husband said before he left she said that James had "some degree of impairment" but she did not want to verbally say exactly what that was. About 2 weeks after his visit she sent us an extensive report where she not only took into consideration her tests, but all tests that related to hear over the previous 6 months (we gave her copies of all assessments). We did not have to go back to get the final results. Her assessment was very thorough and definitive. The school district did not even argue the fact that our son was under 7 (which is why they refused to test him). Her report was so conclusive, they accepted it and we moved right into the accommodations Dr. Atkins suggested.

$600 is a lot of money. You might ask her if she can provide a payment plan. She does do a hearing test as part of her evaluation, so maybe she can bill that separately so your insurance would pay. I would call and talk to her or her assistant. They are both incredibly nice and willing to help. I did not meet Dr. Atkins personally, but my husband said she was incredibly personable and really wanted to help. I think she's frustrated by the schools not testing under the age of 7. Many kids are having negative school patterns ingrained before their APD is discovered.

HTH,
Bonnie


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Bonnie-  Man, you've been a blessing to talk to.  I'm going to give them a call and try to work something out with Dr.Atkins.  Thanks again!!


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Thanks, Baberry. That's why I created this site and this message board. I was looking for answers just like you, and nobody could give them to me. So after we came out the other end of the tunnel, I wanted to help others coming down the same pike. I don't believe CAPD is as uncommon as it seems. I just think the school systems don't know about it. I hope we get more parents and adults with CAPD on this board so together we can create a resource to make the path a shorter one for those to follow!

I hope Dr. Atkins can help!
Take care,
Bonnie


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hi, i have read all the above and my son has a lot of the symptons mentioned. my problem is i am in scotland and not sure if there are people who can diagnose this condition outwith school.

thanks now i know i'm not going mad!


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No, you're not Janny, I thought the same thing for many years until I heard about this condition.  With the invention of the internet, concerned parents can look up almost anything and get answers.  Gotta love it!


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thanks diana, i do love the internet, learned lots from it lol!

i am going to try and get an appointment tomorrow with docs and demand that he gets tested ! glad i came across your site!

hugs janny xxx


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Janny, I can hardly describe the resistance I got when I first told the school this was my son's issue. They basically told me I was crazy and he was ADHD -- put him on meds. But I stuck to my guns! If your gut says it's right, then go with that. Not sure the doctors will be able to provide assessment though. There are not many audiologists who can assess for it, so they may honestly not have somebody to refer you to.

Graeme Wadlow actually maintains the http://apduk.org/ site. He would be the best person to ask about resources in Scotland since he is in England. He has been instrumental in getting CAPD declared a disability in UK. I will ping him on Facebook and let him know you are looking for help. I'm certain he'll respond.

Best regards,
Bonnie


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bonnie thankyou!
i am on face book if thats any help, will get a look at his site now! thanks again

my name on facebook is janice valentine and i live in bonnybridge, not sure if he will be able to get me that way.
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Hi Janny,
I just sent him a message on Facebook with a link to this post. I'm sure he'll stop by here and give you an answer.

I'm not Scottish, but with my name get asked a lot if I am. Kind of always had that connection...

Take care,
Bonnie


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Hi Bonnie and Janny

APD diagnosis in Scotland can be a problem as there are currently no clinicians prepared to diagnose APD yet.

Janny you might find it useful to download the Medical Research Councils 2004 APD pamplet, which can be downloaded from either
http://apd.apduk.org/mrcihrapd.htm
or
http://www.ihr.mrc.ac.uk/products/index.php?page=11
which could be useful with your local GP.

The UK APD Steering committee which is run the leading Uk Audiologists interested in APD can provide more information regarding the best assesssmtn centre closest to your location
http://www.thebsa.org.uk/apd/Home.htm

We have some guide lines as to howe best prepare for any APD assessment in the Uk at
http://apd.apduk.org/adpdiagnosisuk.htm

We also have an online guide for the range of issues which should be considered when creating an IEP for a child who has APD which can be found at
http://resources.apduk.org/iep_page.htm
which is also part of what we call a "Combined Handouts" download which the UK National Health Service, have borrowed to provide information for those who have APD
http://resources.apduk.org/

I hope this helps.

APDUK do have a a range of contact forums, and a telephone help line. and most of us are members of the facebook "auditory processing disorder (APD)" group
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic … 2185968465

best wishes

Graeme
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