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Use this thread to add information about your experiences with Fast ForWord. Please add your input whether you were the person who played the games or the parent of a child who played the games. If you're a school teacher or advisor who uses Fast ForWord in your school, please add your comments as well.

You can find out more about Fast ForWord on the Auditory Training Therapies page at CAPDsupport.org.


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I'd like to know about this myself, I was looking at the website for the program, and it seems to be geared more toward younger (elementary school aged) kids.  What good will these programs do for a middle or even high school aged one?


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Our son just started on this program, but he is only 6. He is doing a modified version, so not as intense as normally recommend. It's my understanding that there are different levels to the program. I don't think they go up to high school though. The program is billed as a reading program, not a program to help CAPD. It's just a side effect. So I think if a child already knew how to read, they could still use the program for the auditory benefits. The program works kind of like a phonics program where it presents word sounds, sometimes with competing noise, and the child has to choose the rhyming sound or opposite sound.

I would ask your son's audiologist about it and see if it works for his age group.

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Bonnie


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The audiologist said this is what the school's use for treatment, but didn't specify which one.  I want to make sure he's not using something that's too "childish" for him, because he is an excellent reader, he just doesn't always memorize what he reads.  He has a difficult time telling you what he read, and doesn't do well in organizing his thoughts when he puts it down in writing.  I think that's more a cluttering issue with the disorganization than a CAPD one. 

I was on the Earobics website and tried to get info about their 4-8th grade program, but it doesn't have pricing or specific info about it there.  I put in an email, just waiting to see if someone responds.


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We have the younger version of Earobics. It cost $65. Don't buy Earobics off Amazon. They only sell them "used" and I bought one to save $20 and it was a pirated copy that came cracked and when I tried to get a refund no response (Amazon didnt' even help me). Here's where I ended up getting a good version: http://www.soundbytes.com  Level 2 it says is for 7-10 years of age. Level 3 must be for older than that. So surely there should be an Earobics that your on could do. I'd probably start with Level 2 even if it's easier because then he'll feel accomplished and moving to Level 3 will not be so hard. Make sure you choose the home version, which is less expensive than one used in clinics. We've been doing something different lately, but when our son did Earobics I noticed a difference. It's not as dramatic as FastForward, although the place where we get FastForward said if you did it as intensely you get similar results.

You might also check GameGoo by Earobics: http://earobics.com/gamegoo/index.html  I don't know how old the games go up to, but our audiologist suggested starting with that to build up computer-time attention. Then moving to Earobics 1/2 hour per day, then after 4-8 weeks, move onto FastForward. FastForward is normally administered 90 minutes, 5 days a week, for 9 weeks. It's a very intense program. So it might be better to build up to it.

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Bonnie


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I just looked at the Earobics info on the SoundBytes site, the level 2 for 7-10 year olds is $65 for the home version.  I think I'll have to look into getting that, but I'll have to wait until maybe next month for that.  I would probably start with that version, and get him used to the idea of it, and then work him up to the next level.  Thanks for the tip!!!

I just can't wait to start doing some type of therapy for this!!!!


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Well, I wanted to ask about FastForWord.  When we had our IEP meeting yesterday (it looks like we'll get a 504 instead, which is probably better anyway) they told us that this program is very regimented, very unflexible.  If your child progresses past the ability in the level, you have to finish the level anyway. Is this true?  They recommended Earobics, because it's a faster paced program which allows for more rapid movement through the levels.  They were concerned that kids get too bored on FastForWord being stuck on a level that's "childish" to them. 

I've seen copies of Earobics on Ebay, but just the 1st and 2nd steps.  I'm seriously considering buying one of those instead of the $65 one.  For one thing, I think our son would breeze his way through the level 2.  I wouldn't mind paying the full price for the level 3 one, because we think it would be well worth it.  But how many times can someone use the software?  I mean, do you have to register it to use it, and you only get so many uses out of it?  That's my biggest question.


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It is true a child has to finish all levels before going onto the next level, but from what I've heard the Earobics is not as effective as Fast Forword with regards to CAPD. Keep in mind that this is a temporary therapy -- I think it's 6 or 9 weeks -- so you can ask your son to stick with it for the sake of improving. You could use some sort of reward system to get him through it. It is 5 days a week, not 7, so it's not non-stop.

Our son has used Earobics and Fast ForWord, and he loves Fast ForWord much better. He says the games are much more fun. Also, Earobics does not help as much with auditory discrimination issues. They have done research that shows Fast ForWord makes a definite improvement in this area, but not Earobics. So while it might sound like the better solution, Earobics may not provide the therapy he needs. This is not about your child having fun, it's about getting a specified result with auditory processing, although obviously it's not effective if you can't get him to play it.

It's possible your school may be trying to go the cheap route. Fast ForWord is very expensive per seat (I think around $1,000) while obviously Earobics is much less expensive. I would ask the audiologist, not the school, because the school has money at stake with the decision that has to be made. If you go with Earobics, I would include languaging in his plan that states you are not rejecting Fast ForWord but trying Earobics, and you will investigate using Fast ForWord if Earobics does not bring the desired results.

I know it's so hard to get our kids to do these therapies, but in the long run it's really beneficial. In explaining to our son why he had to do Earobics, I showed our son this animation: http://science.education.nih.gov/supple … esson4.htm which clearly explains how the ears work. Mind you our son is only 6, and he totally got that the signals from the cochlea aren't understood by his brain, and that's why he has trouble hearing. The first time I showed it to him he got up and started walking away. I asked him where he was going, and he said, "I'm going to play Earobics so my ears will hear better." So the kids get they will see a result if they do the therapy.

Hope this helps,
Bonnie


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Thanks for that info Bonnie.  They told us that FastForWord was a program he would have to do when he couldn't be interrupted, so he wouldn't be able to start that till January because of all the holidays and time off in the school year.  So when we have the meeting in 2 weeks for the 504 (they called today, and couldn't schedule it sooner due to scheduling conflicts on both our ends).  If I didn't have so many Dr appointments to take my mother in law to, this would have gotten done next week.  I don't have any reservations that he would do it, he's very good about doing whatever is asked of him, I just wanted to make sure that he could advance in his levels instead of being stuck in something that was too "babyish" for him.  Since he's 11, I think the program might be a bit too elementary for him when he starts. They also told us that it would take 90 minutes a day of classtime for it to be done.  I'm going to see if we can't do that immediately after school instead of taking him out of any classes.  He really needs his class time, we don't want to interrupt his schoolwork every day for this.  We'll have to work out something.  I appreciate you letting me know about this.


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We were told that this would take 90 minutes a day for him.  So the debate has been do we wait on this until the end of the school year, so we can do it during summer vacation, or do we try to fit it in to the daily schedule?  I think what we should do is try Earobics until summer, then have him do FastForWord at school.  I can't see taking him out of his classes (he needs the extra time and help) during the day, and if we waited until the end of the school day (which ends at 3:20), it would mean he wouldn't get home until almost 5 pm!  That's the time I'm in the middle of making supper, and he's already done his homework. To me, it's important for our son to have his playtime in the evening to destress from the day.  Life is hard enough for him, I don't want to make it more complicated than it needs to be.  When we have our next meeting about the 504, I'll try to get this set up.


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The most recent research regarding FFW is
"The efficacy of Fast ForWord Language intervention in school-age children with language impairment: a randomized controlled trial."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18230858
which I have included in my PubMed Plasticity research paper collection
http://delicious.com/dolfrog/pubmed_col … plasticity

best wishes

dolfrog


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